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I actually find it difficult to write seriously about Madoka (which is why my contribution to the the doujin above was limited to translating a friend's thoughts and adding a short translator's note) for a variety of reasons, including my lack of familiarity with the magical girl genre as a whole, be it in anime or in e.g. eroge. I'd really like to put some thoughts together at some point, but don't hold your breath m(–_–)m
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Re Hanairo, I must have missed its attempts at presenting a balanced view or at reconciling differences; I mean, we have a whole episode based on Ohana's mother basically selling her family for petty professional reasons, for example. Now of course there are also quite a few instances of the grandmother's behavior being scandalous by progressive standards (like her beating on employees and paying them slave wages), but in all of those, the presentation suggests that you're supposed to consider it a commendable attitude based on honest-to-god intentions grounded in respectable traditions (whereas the backstabbing by Ohana's mother is shown as anything but). What topped it off for me was the school trip arc: at the end of episode 14, Yuina delivers the first instance I found of a genuine statement of woman empowerment and freedom from arbitrary conservative constraints. So I approached the next episode with I think a quite high degree of benevolence. And yet it ended up being entirely devoted to beating some sense back into the rebellious bitch and prepare her to become a good caring wife.
But as I said I only watched up to episode 19. Conceivably, the ending could improve my bad impression somewhat. I might try to write something up if I end up finishing the show.
As for Takahata, it really depends on which movie we're talking about. As you can guess, I really can't stand Omohide poroporo. On the other hand, I'm mostly fine with the message in Pom poko, which makes a much more legitimate point than simply rejecting urban progressivism outright (it simply criticizes the way the somewhat reckless and occasionally corrupt way the urbanization of the Greater Tokyo area was carried out; it's difficult to argue otherwise); plus the presentation is upbeat dumb fun, as you say, and that's difficult not to enjoy.
Oh, and I do think Hotaru no haka is a masterpiece, but we're not talking the same kind of subtext.
[...] it to your face) and grinding of inaka value into dirty, evil, material and inhuman urban values to people with things to grind against. I’m just going to say that this is also possibly the funniest and ballsiest Ghibli [...]
I would be very interested in reading something on your view of Madoka in English; given the dearth of criticism available in English that doesn't focus on boring, barely relevant questions like how entropy really works I almost feel it's necessary.
Surprised that you have not yet.
Finally gotten to read this post in full (rather than skim). I think the HanaIro example as you framed it is definitely not the conventional read of the material. It tries to avoid that classic country versus dirty evil city slicker thing pretty much the whole time. The story, unlike Gurren Lagann, is actually about reconciling the differences, and in a way that goes beyond nostalgia tripping.
It would be up to the individual to interpret if Satsuki or Sui has it right; the script leaves enough leeway that I can comfortably say that I don't think Satsuki was wrong in the way she handled Ohana at all.
I'm also going to assume you are not a fan of Takahata Isao.
Ah, Nadesico is up there with Utena on the list of anime from the 90s I really need to get around watching. (Also, Ruri).
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I'd argue the show goes well beyond merely being targeted at a carnivorous audience as you say, though.
Take something like Cowboy Bebop, for example. I'm not a fan of that anime, partly because the dark hard-boiled hero type is something I don't particularly enjoy in my entertainment, but I sure as hell wouldn't say I hate the show, or try to level at it any of the criticisms above. It features carnivores (ok, maybe carnivores on a diet sometimes, but still, manly men), and it is probably made for carnivores as well, but it doesn't revolve around elevating their lifestyle as a recipe for a better world.
Evangelion was perhaps vaguely militant in that respect, in the sense that it dissed Shinji all the way through for being such a wuss, but at least it pointed to relatively realistic character flaws. And it was honest enough to acknowledge that the manly men can be just as fucked up.
Gurren Lagann, on the other hand, ostensibly opposes the super-virile and impotent worldviews, but it ends up identify those with that of heroes and villains with little perspective or distantiation. That's precisely propaganda (in support of the socially stronger and dominant group, at that, which is rather ugly).
Conversely, I think you'd be hard pressed to find the mirror image of that in an anime, of the bishoujo sort or otherwise. Shows about uplifting the egos of herbivores tend to be pretty self-derisive in a way Gurren Lagann is not. One of those shows, by the way, is the Gainax OVA Otaku no video!
(Incidentally, I find it a funny comment on the zeitgeist that the book that introduced the term soushoku danshi was published on the same year as Gurren Lagann premiered).
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"shrug off really dodgy subtexts in the works they consume as long as the heroine is sufficiently kawaii"
Or in other words, Ron Paul's appeal.
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Ah, a topic near and dear to my heart. "the joke seems to be mostly at the expense of otaku (moe otaku?) in general, who tend to shrug off really dodgy subtexts in the works they consume"--The best handling of this whole concept is definitely Nadesico. The ugly political subtext in anime concept, I mean, not the endless penis surrogates in anime concept.
1) inbr ur overthinking anime
2) "flood discussion boards and Youtube video comment threads": oh gawd, I remember when Akihito made that speech after the tsunami and the comments on Youtube were like 10% "頑張れ日本!", 10% "優しい意おじいさんだね", and 80% "大日本帝国万歳!"
3) "what little appealed to me in Gurren Lagann on an aesthetic level were mostly the moe elements (namely Nia)...that kiai still manifests itself as phallic shapes of cosmic dimensions stretching out towards Simon's girl Nia"--oh shit, NTR end!
4) "I know I don't have a problem overlooking the dubious ideas about femininity and the World War II whitewashing in a show like Strike Witches"--I have sort of the same mindset with a lot of shows. Strike Witches was one of those, and more recently I definitely got this same kind of vibe with Infinite Stratos. I more or less enjoyed the show, but I would also start laughing every time I thought about the blatant Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity themes (and with how it's a show about how all those huge-titted occidental ladies are infatuated with the lead's yamato damashi, and by damashi I mean penis. And how utterly marginalized the Chinese character is, obv.)
5) "—I'd say it's because those aspects are tangential to the message of that anime, which is a rather consensual statement about the power of COURAGE and FRIENDSHIP"--I think that the only thing that's really pulled this off were the Sakura Taisen games, where they would both explicitly exult concept of liberalism/modernity, and actually had the fascists as the enemy in the second game.
The show does pertain a certain message, but I don't think it's propaganda as much as it's pandering to audiences who dig that stuff. I remember rooting against Rossiu because I really do hate the totalitarian state. Regardless of what the intentions were, that was the worldview presented to the viewer. Now, I'm not making excuses for the show, but I am making excuses for me enjoying it--I'd call it fanservice for the "carnivorous" male (and female) audience, if you may. Which is something I find acceptable, considering its production started planning at a time when bishoujo shows had been abusing the tried tropes without inventing new ones for the longest time. It took Haruhi or some show to wake people up of the stale state of the tropes. Basically, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the result of much needed balance, when the carnivores took back a tiny bit of anime territory from the dominant herbivores.
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This is another reason why I prefer BBC over CNN. American news stations tend to be exaggerative. (The translation of Mr. Nogami's letter was great!)
How many women told you that? Because I think that's only your opinion.
There is but those that are directly the reverse of NTR are few. The closest thing would be harem, where the guy is technically cheating on all the girls. The only difference is that the guy can go to any of them if he wants and the girls seem to be okay with it for some reason. Keep in mind that these things are aimed towards guys, which is why guy cheating is okay and girl cheating is not. Even in real life though, girls on average are more okay with a guy cheating on them than the reverse.
I wonder who gets trolled more between "IAs" and Hiroki Azuma in this article...
From what I've seen, NTR appeals to the idea that your typical otaku who doesn't do anything about the relationship, is likely to lose the girl is more realistic than the idealized depiction of relationships that most otaku are preoccupied with. Cuckoldry in western culture is usually done at the "victim's" behest, and is really more a part of the fetish scene. The way NTR portrays it is somewhat unrealistic, with it being involuntary creating distaste to the fetishist, and the sheer extremeness of the situation somewhat ruining the realism of it. As an emotionally gripping genre that as pure fantasy probably appeals to a number of people, like most hentai, it's gratuitously unrealistic.
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Read anything written by Sanbun kyouden or Bai Asuka(especially the Sinful Mother series). You will find that ntr can be very Very dark and fucked up.